I found this the other night

www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTe...slamic_terrorism.php

He uses data from Europol the official EU police website

www.europol.europa.eu/publications/TESAT/TESAT2007.pdf

In particular read the executive summary on Page 4 and the tables on pages 13 and 14. The section on convictions is interesting too.

Notice the total of terrorist attacks in the UK in 2006 ? 4 thats right 4. Some of which are the work of animal rights activists as reported earlier in the document.

Notice the number in France and Spain 339 most of which are SEPERATIST not Islamic.

So the next time you're standing in the airport waiting in line just think about this data and the levels of hysteria in the mass media and ask yourself why?

Why the draconian measures for such a small threat?

What purpose does it really serve?

The victims of loony islamists in London last July probably thought the threat was small but some of them are dead or horribly maimed. Although admittedly the threat is a lot less than that from IRA psychopaths in the 70s & 80s.

I have put this on here because it is about the cause our troops are fighting against.


Written by a housewife in New Brunswick, Canada to her
local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.

'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or
was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our
shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually
threatened to do so since?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered
that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from
the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a
horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't
they?

And I'm supposed to care that a a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation
they come from and are fighting against in a brutal
insurgency.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in
and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on
9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle
East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of
which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry
for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed
through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in
Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of
disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children
within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that
their freedom of speech on stories is more importa nt than
the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families
waiting a home to hear about them when something happens.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN
soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain
information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my
tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being
'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of
hearts:I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's
spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy
Crack Corn and, you guessed it, I don't care!!

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your
E-mail friends Sooner or later, it'll get to the people
responsible for this ridiculous behavior!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete
button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they
made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't
have that problem.'

I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I
hope you forward all this.

One last thought for the day:

Only four defining forces have ever offered to die for
you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The Canadian Soldier.

3. The British Soldier.

4. The US Soldier, and
One died for your soul, the other 3 for your freedom.'

The Laird wrote:




I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle
East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of
which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry
for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed
through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in
Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of
disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children
within range of their suicide bombs.


In the meantime, when I hear a story about a CANADIAN
soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain
information, know this: I don't care.


1. Jesus Christ

2. The Canadian Soldier.

3. The British Soldier.

4. The US Soldier, and
One died for your soul, the other 3 for your freedom.'


Wow so she ignores the 500,000 innocent Iraqi children killed by the UN sanctions and the thousands who have died since.

The Taliban and Suicide Bombers are cowards yet the NATO forces who routinely call in air strikes which kill civilians are not!

The US and NATO dropped cluster bombs by the thousands in the former Yugoslavia. Their depleted uranium munitions from the first Gulf war has caused an epidemic of cancers in Iraq. The country has no infrastructure except in the Green Zone.

We support plenty of regimes that do not tolerate Christianity, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and China to name but three.

She doesn't care about the hypocrisy of us championing Law, Order and Decency and then behaving like the 'thugs' she despises.

Then she has the temerity to claim that Jesus Christ died for my soul! The condition of my soul is my concern. My relationship with any God is my business NOT hers or her fanatical religion which believes that they are right and others are wrong.
What gives her the right to impose a guilt that she believes in for the death of some young man over two thousand years ago onto to me?

Then she says that the three soldiers are fighting for my FREEDOM!
No they are not they are fighting a war against two enemies that their commanders-in-chief created, financed and then tired of. They are fighting a war for control by the US military machine of the world's major sources of oil and gas.

Note that the US part of Afghanistan is the bit without the fighting but with the Northern Alliance and most of the opium fields and heroin.
Note also that the Northern Alliance are as intolerant of women's rights and dissenters as any Taliban hard liner.
Note also that the US recognises Kosovo and the KLA known to be one of the largest drug trafficking operations in Europe, and NATO is there as well.

She's a fanatic who believes that we are the good guys who did nothing wrong and therefore cannot understand why anyone should want to attack us.

There are none so blind as those who WILL not see.

Levenax wrote:
The victims of loony islamists in London last July probably thought the threat was small but some of them are dead or horribly maimed. Although admittedly the threat is a lot less than that from IRA psychopaths in the 70s & 80s.

And yet the restrictions and legislation is much more draconian. Funny how suicide bombers who are willing to die for their cause are loonies and yet soldiers who fight for any side are doing their patriotic duty.

And please don't raise the canard about suicide bombers knowingly targeting civilians. Look at Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam and the Iraq sanctions. We knew the sanctions weren't hurting Saddam, and were causing millions of deaths among Iraqis but we still kept them in place for 5 years.

Look a the Isreali air strikes into Gaza, or Lebanon. The recent US rocket strike in Pakistan. They call them collateral damage but in truth they are indifferent to the risk of civilian casualties.

Pots and Kettles mate. At least the sucide bombers are open about their hatred. Our governments are just callously and hypocritically indifferent unless its their civilians getting killed.

Mr. Bananaman,

People like you are a real worry!

Lots of valid points, once again, Bananaman. However, the geographer in me frets about the strain on the planet's resources, should all those innocents killed by whatever means, survive instead.

This planet is already seriously overburdened with people in regions least able to support the population that lives in them.

I've always believed the US had 9/11 coming to it...the wonder is that it or something like it had't happened sooner, given the US gov't's penchant for interfering in foreign countries' politics.

Bananaman wrote:


So the next time you're standing in the airport waiting in line just think about this data and the levels of hysteria in the mass media and ask yourself why?

Why the draconian measures for such a small threat?

What purpose does it really serve?


Well I think that the purpose it serves is that we do take any threat to our nation seriously.

When you have someone like Ayman-Al-Zawahiri, the Al-Qaeda No2, who regularly broadcasts in his usual vile rhetoric of threatening our country by means of terrorist attacks, then I'm glad that we take it seriously.
Small threat or not, it's not something that can be ignored. Any threat can lead to devastating consequences as we have already witnessed.

So any inconvience caused by having to go through strict security measures when travelling through an airport is, in my opinion completely justified.
Frankly I would be very worried if there were no security measures in place.

It really is a sad that we have to go to such extreme lengths to achieve a peaceful lifestyle, and the sad fact is that I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
Is living under a constant terror threat the legacy that we are leaving our children?...........It really does seem so.


Regarding suicide bombers who you say are willing to die for their cause, which may be true in some cases but not all. In other cases they are willing to die because they have been promised that their families will be well taken care off financially.

In a recent BBC programe it showed how some of these young men who lived in abject poverty were recruited from the slum areas of Algeria and Morocco and other north African countries taken to the Middle East, and indoctrinated into a suicide bombers way of life, which includes being mostly drug dependent. You would have to be, to do what they plan to do.

Lilybean wrote:
Lots of valid points, once again, Bananaman. However, the geographer in me frets about the strain on the planet's resources, should all those innocents killed by whatever means, survive instead.

This planet is already seriously overburdened with people in regions least able to support the population that lives in them.

I've always believed the US had 9/11 coming to it...the wonder is that it or something like it had't happened sooner, given the US gov't's penchant for interfering in foreign countries' politics.

I'm gloomy about the future. Rampant population growth and the resultant ecological damage are going make large parts of the earth uninhabitable. Many regard the mostly futile attempts to assuage famine and disease as misconceived and liken their likely effects as similar to farting in a hurricane. The natural disasters that beset us should perhaps be regarded as nature's way of limiting population growth and accepted just as the way things are like the plague was in the middle ages. In fact AIDS is the modern plague in Africa. In addition there may well be a global war over access to raw materials and water where everyone will be a loser. The outcome will be equilibrium where the drastically reduced population will have to live within the resources available and that means not breeding to excess and looking after what's left.

Aye - the future looks grim. That's what makes independence imperative.

Great posts, Bananaman

I am worried by these people who have been persuaded that terrorists are attacking us without justification. There is always some element of justification.

Until the world is governed by justice instead of military capability there will always be injustice and those without the military force to meet the US/China/Russia head on will always be classed as terrorists.

Since it is rarely allowed to be mentioned in the media, can we make start be getting justice for the Palestinians. If that issue were settled then it would go a long way to reconciling (nominal) Christians with the Muslims.

And then there's Iraq ....

DavieDites wrote:
Since it is rarely allowed to be mentioned in the media, can we make start be getting justice for the Palestinians. If that issue were settled then it would go a long way to reconciling (nominal) Christians with the Muslims.

I couldn't agree more DD. IMO part of the problem is the irrational support the west and in particular the US gives Israel, whatever excesses they choose to indulge in. The Zionists have treated the Palestinians shamefully and in doing so have ignored many UN resolutions that told them to stop their aggressive behaviour. Thye UN should do whatever it takes to give Israel secure borders and a guarantee of security and the continued existence of the state of Israel. The corollary of that is that the Palestinian State should have the same privileges to self determination and peace. Such a solution would also give the west the moral right to condemn the gross anti semitic ravings of many muslim countries.
There was an excellent programme on Channel 4 on Sunday night called "The Secrets of the 12 Disciples". The presenter interviewed an American Christian Zionist who was remarkable for his crazed support of Israeli domination of the whole of the Holy Land and Jerusalem, even suggesting that the Al-Aqsa mosque should be demolished! He was even more extreme than a beardy Jewish Zionist, amazing though that seems.

DavieDites wrote:
Great posts, Bananaman

I am worried by these people who have been persuaded that terrorists are attacking us without justification. There is always some element of justification.

Until the world is governed by justice instead of military capability there will always be injustice and those without the military force to meet the US/China/Russia head on will always be classed as terrorists.

Since it is rarely allowed to be mentioned in the media, can we make start be getting justice for the Palestinians. If that issue were settled then it would go a long way to reconciling (nominal) Christians with the Muslims.

And then there's Iraq ....

Davie, yes quite. I never cease to be amazed by how easy it was for Blair to get away with Iraq, with everything really. I am gobsmacked when people mention how these "terrorists" are creating such chaos in the world for "us" and ignore the history of the Middle East and our part in it. I get really discouraged tho when I realise just how many people have forgotten the facts about Iraq and the lies and deceit associated with it.

I think it will be sixty years this year since the State of Israel came into being,(It was 1968 wasn't it?), and yet still the Palestinians are without a home. It is almost unbelievable. I say almost because it is believable too given the way it works out there. Israel calls the shots (literally too!) Even when they held democratic elections the Palestinians got it wrong. They elected the wrong guys and got their funding cut off! We in the West take our democracy to people but we play only if they vote the way we want.

US policy in the Middle East is the root of the unrest, the hatred and all of it and British support of such twisted policy leaves us just as much to blame. After the Twin Towers Bush unleashed a wave of racism across the globe and today we have, well, what we have today where Brown still goes on about new laws to combat terrorism and where the word Muslim means terrorist. People declare, "Look what they did to London!" yet at the same time they will not say what we brought down over Iraq and how many we slaughtered. They don't see the connection. I still can't believe Blair took us down that road and to this point. And goodness knows what is on the agenda and still to come.

Unfortunately DD I can't be optimistic either for Palestine because I don't think Israel will ever change. The UN can try but let's face it, who really runs the world? It isn't the UN. We have all sorts of rules to keep us all in check but at any time we can walk away as Blair did and find ourselves, and our troops, in the midst of an illegal war. When Blair and Bush did that the UN just had to sit by and tolerate it. What an almighty mess. I remember as a teenager talking to my late father about the Middle East and about Israel. I was all indignant and saying to him "But they can't do that!" He said to me, "Oh yes they can because they've got a big brother called the United States of America. And that means they can do whatever the hell they like."

Another book title for you, Clare: The Road to Peace in the Middle East by David Fromkin. It traces the history of the geo-politics from pre-WWI all the way up to early in the 21st Century. Not only is the US to blame for this mess, but historically, the UK/Great Britain is as well.

Lily, I know the UK/Britain is to blame too. I said that in my earlier post.

I also made a typo when I put 1968 instead of 1948 when speaking about the year Israel came into being.