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So another vile piece of useless lowlife runs riot when he should have been in prison. A surprise? No, because although it might have been some half witted pen pusher who was to blame this time it's usually the Sheriffs who let these scumbags off. If Sheriff Dickson had any concern for the welfare of the public who pay his exceptionally handsome salary he wouldn't have given this villain bail. It's high time Sheriffs were made to account for their actions.

Hi Lev, sorry mate, but you're wrong this time. It wasn't a Sheriff who gave this scumbag bail, but a faceless and non-accountable grey suit from the SPS who decided to award Home Detention Curfew (HDC) despite not knowing the history or the wishes of the court. Presumably, this was to make his stats look good.

Where have you lot been? Bureaucrats took over the world in a secret coup some years ago. The form fillers and paper shufflers now make the rules and the decisions. In a Schedule 1 facility I once worked in they were downsizing. Managers were so eager to save their jobs that when a supervisory position came open on a clinical unit they transferred a manager in from - wait for it - the kitchen. So we had a cook making clinical decision regarding the welfare of many, many people. When i complained to the administrator he cancelled all my work - research into the causes and treatment of self-injury - but refused to reassign me. I was on an extended coffee break until I quit.

That's the reality. Now shut up before you get yourselves into serious trouble.

I read yesterday of yet another murder case. It wasmurder where the guy got off with culpable homicide and got four years. He'd kicked a guy to death because he was "angry". The dead boy's family were in total shock after the sentence. No wonder. What on earth is going on?

Clare wrote:
I read yesterday of yet another murder case. It wasmurder where the guy got off with culpable homicide and got four years.

Then it wasn't murder. It was culpable homicide.

Here's another one:

The same administrator refused to cover the cost of my attendance at a conference where I wanted to present a paper on a possible treatment for rumination ( an eating disorder where the food bolus is brought up into the mouth to be rechewed ) that could've, potentially, saved the province tens of thousands a year in dental and medical treatment for these folks. So this little mandarin saved a couple of hundred out his his 62 million budget but cost the tax payer hundreds of thousands over the years. Jerk!

Martin wrote:
Hi Lev, sorry mate, but you're wrong this time. It wasn't a Sheriff who gave this scumbag bail, but a faceless and non-accountable grey suit from the SPS who decided to award Home Detention Curfew (HDC) despite not knowing the history or the wishes of the court. Presumably, this was to make his stats look good.

Er, that's not how I read it.
Sheriff Dickson deferred sentence on Jarvie until July 9 to allow a new probation report to be prepared.
Jarvie was released on bail with the condition that he must remain at his bail address from 6pm to 6am.

TLJ wrote:
Clare wrote:
I read yesterday of yet another murder case. It wasmurder where the guy got off with culpable homicide and got four years.

Then it wasn't murder. It was culpable homicide.

Oh it was murder OK. It's just that the prosecutor couldn't be bothered doing his job. When is kicking somebody to death not murder? And don't say when it's culpable homicide - please.

Levenax wrote:
TLJ wrote:
Clare wrote:
I read yesterday of yet another murder case. It wasmurder where the guy got off with culpable homicide and got four years.

Then it wasn't murder. It was culpable homicide.

Oh it was murder OK. It's just that the prosecutor couldn't be bothered doing his job. When is kicking somebody to death not murder? And don't say when it's culpable homicide - please.

When somebody is provoked into taking violent action which ultimately leads to death......such as getting into a fight after being bottled on the head. Then it's culpable homicide and not murder.

Levenax wrote:
Martin wrote:
Hi Lev, sorry mate, but you're wrong this time. It wasn't a Sheriff who gave this scumbag bail, but a faceless and non-accountable grey suit from the SPS who decided to award Home Detention Curfew (HDC) despite not knowing the history or the wishes of the court. Presumably, this was to make his stats look good.

Er, that's not how I read it.
Sheriff Dickson deferred sentence on Jarvie until July 9 to allow a new probation report to be prepared.
Jarvie was released on bail with the condition that he must remain at his bail address from 6pm to 6am.

My God, I missed that, Lev! I was very supportive of Sheriff Dickson's comments about the pen pusher who let this scum out after less than a third of his sentence and I thought that at last a Sheriff was getting it right. His comments are brilliant, but, what a hypocrite to then let him out on bail on his new offense. He should have been locked up to complete his previous sentence while the Sheriff contemplated his new one which should run consecutively. I also like the policy on some states of the US of 3 strikes and it's life.

My apologies for talking at cross purposes, Lev.

Martin wrote:
I also like the policy on some states of the US of 3 strikes and it's life.

I like that policy too. We're far too tolerant of repeat offenders in this country. Every one of us is capable of making a mistake or an error of judgement or being easily led or keeping the wrong company or having a moment of madness or a difficult upbringing or a tragic past.... read the court pages in your local paper to get the full flavour of the inventivness of defence solicitors. BUT having learned a lesson, paid the price etc etc there can be NO excuse for repeat offending and if it happens it shows that the criminal isn't fit to mix with normal people. Mr Jarvie, the serial offender in this case, is a good example of the kind of moral degenerate that plagues our society. They should be removed from circulation for a long time and if that means building more prisons so be it.

TLJ wrote:
Levenax wrote:
TLJ wrote:
Clare wrote:
I read yesterday of yet another murder case. It wasmurder where the guy got off with culpable homicide and got four years.

Then it wasn't murder. It was culpable homicide.

Oh it was murder OK. It's just that the prosecutor couldn't be bothered doing his job. When is kicking somebody to death not murder? And don't say when it's culpable homicide - please.

When somebody is provoked into taking violent action which ultimately leads to death......such as getting into a fight after being bottled on the head. Then it's culpable homicide and not murder.

Well I think there is now no hope. Four years he got and he'll be out in two, after kicking someone to death because he was "angry". I really do give up on any system that says its OK to do that to anyone and OK to reduce the charge and the sentence because ultimately they are saying its bloody OK to kill someone and I'm sick of all the excuses being made for these monsters.

Maybe if we just charged these people with plain old "killing" another person and had a minimum sentence (let's start at TWENTY years) for killing someone they'd realise that its a kind of serious thing to do. I am out of patience with these people TLJ, I really am. If we give them enough notice then they'll know that from now on the soft options are gone.

TLJ wrote:
When somebody is provoked into taking violent action which ultimately leads to death......such as getting into a fight after being bottled on the head. Then it's culpable homicide and not murder.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7466197.stm

Jailed for killing somebody in 2004, let off with culpable homicide and back on the streets with a gun in 2007...?
Mr Robertson is clearly a dangerous maniac and it's quite astonishing that the judge gave him a discount of five years for pleading guilty. Types like Robertson should die in jail.

Levenax wrote:
TLJ wrote:
When somebody is provoked into taking violent action which ultimately leads to death......such as getting into a fight after being bottled on the head. Then it's culpable homicide and not murder.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7466197.stm

Jailed for culpable homicide in 2004 and on the streets with a gun in 2008...?
Mr Robertson is clearly a maniac and it's astonishing that the judge gave him a discount of five years for pleading guilty. Types like Robertson should die in jail.

I agree Lev. This was pre planned to the last detail. An execution basically. What a monster.

Clare and Levenax agreeing and united against these thugs!! God help them, their tea's definitely oot now!!!!

Seriously though, I have said it before on other subjects, we have far too many people in prisons who pose no physical danger to society, ie fraudsters etc. We should find ways to clear these types out of prisons and vastly increase sentence for dangerous lowlives like these.