news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7487076.stm

Humans are to form the latest attractions at Edinburgh Zoo - as part of an unusual Fringe event.

Five performers will live in a cage at the zoo for 11 days in an enclosure originally designed for penguins.

The show, Enclosure 44, will have people behaving like captive animals, and being fed at certain times by other performers dressed as zoo keepers.

This is art ?

TLJ wrote:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7487076.stm

Humans are to form the latest attractions at Edinburgh Zoo - as part of an unusual Fringe event.

Five performers will live in a cage at the zoo for 11 days in an enclosure originally designed for penguins.

The show, Enclosure 44, will have people behaving like captive animals, and being fed at certain times by other performers dressed as zoo keepers.

This is art ?

Happens all the time at Maryhill nick, I'm told...

Do we get a vote on who we can put in the cage. How long they will stay in etc.

All suggestions below please
Keep the language fit for scotsgait.

LYDIA REID wrote:
Do we get a vote on who we can put in the cage. How long they will stay in etc.

All suggestions below please
Keep the language fit for scotsgait.

Too scared!!

The really silly season is alive and well!

Re TLJ's question: "Is it art?"

Possibly. I'm always wary of people defining what is Art

But hey we watch people like this all the time its called Big Brother and its on Channel 4.

If its a protest at the cruelty and hypocrisy of zoos then I'm for it.

Otherwise its a stunt but hey it'll draw tourists so as long as it breaks even why not?

Bananaman wrote:
Re TLJ's question: "Is it art?"

Possibly. I'm always wary of people defining what is Art

But hey we watch people like this all the time its called Big Brother and its on Channel 4.

If its a protest at the cruelty and hypocrisy of zoos then I'm for it.

Otherwise its a stunt but hey it'll draw tourists so as long as it breaks even why not?

Big Brother isn't art. Its a collection of self centred wannabees watched by a significant, (sad) proportion of the population many of whom are only watching in the hope that they see people having sex live. It cannot be seen as contributing anything worthwhile when the group being observed know exactly what they are doing and have indeed planned their strategy ahead. How can these people be seen as representing an "ordinary" random group of people when they are all simply there for the big prize - fame?

Clare wrote:
Big Brother isn't art. Its a collection of self centred wannabees watched by a significant, (sad) proportion of the population many of whom are only watching in the hope that they see people having sex live. It cannot be seen as contributing anything worthwhile when the group being observed know exactly what they are doing and have indeed planned their strategy ahead. How can these people be seen as representing an "ordinary" random group of people when they are all simply there for the big prize - fame?

Big Brother certainly isn't art but it has some sort of bizarre attraction for the great unwashed. Perhaps it's like holding a mirror up for chimps - they stare into it and can't comprehend that it's a reflection of their own squalid reality. I can't imagine that anybody watches it in the hope of seeing folk having sex because witnessing any of the freaks on the program actually copulating would be a stomach churning experience. Can you imagine George Galloway on the job? Anyway You Porn is the preferred place for voyeurs if they don't already have a collection of adult DVDs.

TLJ wrote:
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7487076.stm

Humans are to form the latest attractions at Edinburgh Zoo - as part of an unusual Fringe event.

Five performers will live in a cage at the zoo for 11 days in an enclosure originally designed for penguins.

The show, Enclosure 44, will have people behaving like captive animals, and being fed at certain times by other performers dressed as zoo keepers.

This is art ?

When reading through this thread again I wondered how many years it will be before we have an exhibition of half human half ape's on display considering this is now allowed under our new and wonderful Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill when it is eventually made law.

LYDIA REID wrote:
When reading through this thread again I wondered how many years it will be before we have an exhibition of half human half ape's on display considering this is now allowed under our new and wonderful Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill when it is eventually made law.

Post HF&E implementation what's going to happen when a keeper falls in love with one of his or her charges? Is bestiality worse than sodomy? What about both simultaneously? Will registrars object? Maybe prospective zoo keepers will have to be disclosure checked and get a letter from their priest before they get the job.

Levenax wrote:
LYDIA REID wrote:
When reading through this thread again I wondered how many years it will be before we have an exhibition of half human half ape's on display considering this is now allowed under our new and wonderful Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill when it is eventually made law.

Post HF&E implementation what's going to happen when a keeper falls in love with one of his or her charges? Is bestiality worse than sodomy? What about both simultaneously? Will registrars object? Maybe prospective zoo keepers will have to be disclosure checked and get a letter from their priest before they get the job.

I presume you are joking I will presume and you are welcome to correct me if I am wrong that this is a follow on from the thread about the registrar refusing to marry a homosexual couples.

I can see though the utter horror in beings, which will be mainly human living in cages. This species will possibly be human enough to have a high level of intelligence and possibly knowing that they will soon die, as they are to provide a heart for a higher human, which, does not live in a cage and will not be killed.

Maybe even human enough to talk, they will feel pain, physical and probably emotional. The ape is so near human.

This bill will give scientists the right; they already have the ability and believe me they will just because they can.

Will you feel this revulsion if the babies turn out pink with no hair and are clothed as humans to keep them warm. How will the human race feel if the babies cry as a human baby does? What kind of people will look after them? Will we have the equivalent of the animal rights brigade setting them free? Where will they live if they are set free? Will we have DNA tests to prove they are near human? Will they have half the human rights accorded to the human race by the EU? Will it be against the law to have sex with this species?

Will the father be liable for child maintenance or just half do you think.

What about the recipient of the donor organ will they know that this being is the donor. Would you want to be a recipient, I could not.

The mind boggles at the possibilities.

I cannot understand this total preoccupation with organ donation for transplant when we have so many diseases killing many more people per year. Cancer, diabetes, Google some of the diseases that affect your family or friends try to get figures and I bet each and every disease numbers more than the people needing an organ. It has to be an excuse for research into something that we know nothing about.

This world of ours is crazy enough to start another species in this way and in years to come maybe we will have a form of ceremony for the joining of the two species who knows.

This world of ours is crazy enough to start another species in this way and in years to come maybe we will have a form of ceremony for the joining of the two species who knows.
No chance. We are Borg, and you will be assimilated.

LYDIA REID wrote:
What about the recipient of the donor organ will they know that this being is the donor. Would you want to be a recipient, I could not.

I was indeed indulging in a bit of levity. A lot of folk don't know where their spare parts come from. There are thousands of people with pigs' heart valves in place of their own dud ones. Muslims and jews made a bit of a fuss a while back about medical stuff derived from pigs but I don't think they got anywhere. Primate spare parts are a bit more of a risk becuase of viruses that might jump the species barrier. AIDS started probably because ssomebody got a bit too cosy with a chimp.

Robin T Cox wrote:
This world of ours is crazy enough to start another species in this way and in years to come maybe we will have a form of ceremony for the joining of the two species who knows.
No chance. We are Borg, and you will be assimilated.

Maybe the little people, those who vote for Brown and his ilk will be kept pure.

Levenax wrote:
LYDIA REID wrote:
What about the recipient of the donor organ will they know that this being is the donor. Would you want to be a recipient, I could not.

I was indeed indulging in a bit of levity. A lot of folk don't know where their spare parts come from. There are thousands of people with pigs' heart valves in place of their own dud ones. Muslims and jews made a bit of a fuss a while back about medical stuff derived from pigs but I don't think they got anywhere. Primate spare parts are a bit more of a risk becuase of viruses that might jump the species barrier. AIDS started probably because ssomebody got a bit too cosy with a chimp.


As in the pig valves we will only know if they decide to tell us. We will not know for many years yet if anything has jumped the species from pig heart valves. The whole process was brought about so quickly with no real research.

Do you really think the thought of something like Aids will stop this process.